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Ya know something interesting about the Marvel/DC ‘rivalry’ on tumblr?
Everyone acts like DC is this super regressive company compared to Marvel when DC really did more progressive stuff first and is still doing so.
Women as heroes?
DC’s had Wonder Woman as one of their three major heroes forever, but everyone ignores that because “But she doesn’t have a movie yet” (more on that later)
While Marvel can claim the first black hero in comics with Black Panther, DC actually had heroes talking explicitly about race with John Stewart and Hal Jordan, and did a lot of issues with progressiveism and liberalism vs convsativism in the Green Arrow/Green Lantern series (including a black person calling out Hal on how little he did to fight oppression on earth as he did the rest of the universe), and Green Arrow and Hawkeye arguing politics was a common thread of their time on the JLA together.
Black Lightning was the first African-American superhero with no criminal record (Luke Cage did get his powers in prison, it’s kinda stereotypical)
DC itself actually funded and published Milestone comics, a comics company entirely devoted to more diverse comics. If you’ve ever heard of Static you owe DC comics.
Marvel has never had anything even remotely equivalent.
When it comes to LGBT stuff, DC comics had a lesbian Batwoman and a lesbian woman taking over from a male hero in The Question.
While not a hero explicitly DC has a transwoman supporting character in Batgirl. (And I’m not even counting the trans characters in Vertigo books.)
It has Alan Scott being gay inthe Nu52 continuity,
I know Grace Choi was bisexual pre-reboot (I don’t know the current status)
Had a gay black teen hero in the Superboy & the Ravers comic in the 90s, as well as the character of Obsidian who was a major supporting character in the JSA.
The idea of characters of color or a different gender taking the place of legacy characters is nothing new for DC.
Like I mentioned, a lesbian Latin@ became the Question, there was an asian woman hero Doctor Light, a black woman Doctor Midnight, a Latina became the new Wildcat.
Now I mentioned I’d get back to movies later on and, let’s look at DC & Marvels movies in terms of ethnicity here, most notably the recent casting rumors.
Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson basically said he’d be playing Shazam.
Shazam, a previously white hero, played by a Black & Samoan man.
Aquaman, if rumors are to be believed, will be played by Jason Momoa.
Aquaman, a white blonde haired, blue eyed hero, played by a Samoan man.
Meanwhile over at Marvel….Well Falcon and Rhodey get to exist, but they’re up to this point still just little more than sidekicks to the white heroes in the movies.
Marvel makes a movie about a superhero team and goes “Yeah, everyone is still white as they were in the 1960s.”
DC looks at their superhero team and says “We need to make the team more diverse, even if it means changing the race of the heroes” and people act like they’re some super regressive company.
I’m fine with folks preferring one company over the other.
I’m fine with folks being excited Marvel is having legacy characters change race and/or gender with who gets to pick up the legacy.
But as a lifelong comic fan it’s kinda annoying to see people praising Marvel as super progressive for doing shit DC did in the 80s and still does to this day.
Especially when with Marvel it’s coming across far more as a blatant publicity grabs.
By creating quality comics of powerful female superheroes, the comic book world is opening up to a new audience of women and girls as well as giving already hooked fans more of the powerful women they’ve come to know and love.
DC Comics, another major player in comics, has also joined the trend of bringing female characters to the forefront. It has “Wonder Woman” flying solo in a self-titled series, as well as “Supergirl” and even Batman characters like “Batgirl”, “Catwoman” and “Harley Quinn”.❞
The above (from the Huffington Post) is a sign of why good PR is important, and why DC really, really needs to step up on the issue of diversity in superhero comics.
In a story using the new Thor as a hook, DC merits a “has also joined the trend of bringing female characters to the forefront,” instead of the more accurate “DC led the trend, with seven ongoing titles out of its 2011 relaunch featuring female solo leads at a time when Marvel only had two ongoing female solo leads,” with DC’s number not dropping below seven since then while Marvel managed to reach a point later that year where it has zero ongoing series featuring female leads.
The HuffPo piece (and this Daily Beast piece from the weekend) point out not just how well the Marvel Hype Machine works these days in framing the narrative but almost more importantly just how badly DC does the same thing (It also points out how eagerly journalists for major news outlets eat up talking points instead of going out and researching things sometimes, but that’s neither here nor there).
In all of the news about the replacement Captain America, it’s surprising that no one — myself included — brought up that DC has had a black Superman for the last few months in Earth-2 (or longer, if you want to look at Grant Morrison’s continued use of the Superman from Earth-23). With all the push about diversity in Marvel, no one pointed out that the publisher doesn’t have a solo gay lead, whereas DC’s been putting Batwoman out there for the last three years (Not to mention Green Lantern in Earth-2 or Constantine, who’s bi, I think? He was in Hellblazer, but who can tell in the New 52?).
These are all alternate talking points that DC could (should?) be pushing out there in order to point out that, really, it’s not got a “crisis” or playing catch-up; it’s been there for some time, but not making the same kind of look at us look at us we have friends who aren’t white straight males noises as Marvel whenever it makes these decisions. But, instead, they just sit back and… I don’t know. Hope that someone notices?
(All of which shouldn’t be taken as a “Marvel, you are terrible,” or whatever — it’s not, and its PR machine is very good at what it does — but as a “DC, at this point, you’re practically causing your own bad press.”)
Gal Gadot's Wonder Woman in Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
:/ so Superman gets an updated version of his original costume but wonder woman gets some sexualised leather get up?! OK can Superman Vs Batman get any lamer? Maybe I’m on my own here but I really don’t like this outfit at all.
DC really need to step it up if they are gonna compete with Marvel Cinematic tbh.
I have to agree. The model(actress?) looks amazing but DC need to step up their game. I mean I’m pretty sure Marvel is currently top dog in the movie department. I’m not sure about the comics because I don’t follow them.
But seriously DC… You can not overly sexualize a woman and still have fans… Look at black widow, Maria hill, Melinda may.
They don’t run around in skimpy little things.
I don’t read anything from DC tbh I looked but there aren’t many female lead titles in there that I could see. Marvel have Black Widow, Elektra, Storm, Ms. Marvel, Captain Marvel and She-Hulk this year alone not to mention a plethora of strong and interesting female characters in other books.
They really take their female audience seriously and are trying to tackle the issue of representation across the board but DC leave a lot to be desired. The best comic book producer next to Marvel has to be Image comics at the moment.
I just…she looks like she stepped out of a BDSM movie. Given the fact that they refuse to make a Wonder Woman movie because they feel people wouldn’t get it? You had a fricking TV show for gods sake so why the hell can’t you make a movie?! Worst excuse ever by the way, they’ve now seemingly reduced her to a side character and turned her into an object for fan boys to drool over. Not cool DC :/
I wouldn’t have much problem with it if they would at least give her some straps.
I’m a martial artist and fighting in a strapless top??? Yeah, no.
I’m guessing none of you have ever even SEEN Wonder Woman because
This is nothing compared to the wonder woman visuals we’ve been getting since she was introduced decades ago.
The costume is true to the character. The leather and metal? Considering she’s a character inspired by Greek Mythology, of course her outfit will reflect that. Her skirt is called a fustanella. MALE Greek soldiers wore that.
All I’m seeing here is “I don’t like Wonder Woman’s costume because it’s true to her classic design AND her Greek heritage!”
Sexualised in the way that Christian Bale is a sexualised version of Adam West?
Are you people honestly trying to tell me that Marvel movies don’t females sexualize their female characters?
like are you for real
How in earth is a leather catsuit more sexual than what Wonder Woman is wearing?
An argument can be made that Diana’s skirt is too short to be practical to fight in sure, but other than that are you serious?!
Do you want to know what traditional Ancient Greek armor looked like?
(images gotten from a quick google search)
Wonder Woman’s costume is literally the baby of the traditional Wonder Woman costume and Ancient Greek armour.
Leather does not equal sexualization. You think that it does? Go yell at the creative team of that new Batgirl design that everyone loves so much, in which the top is clearly marked to be leather.
First her body type, now her costume. For a group of people who want Diana in a movie so badly, you all seem terribly quick to rip it all apart.
Close-Ups on Detail of Gal Gadot’s Wonder Woman costume for Batman vs Superman: Dawn of Justice
people who are scary, they terrify me, but I can imitate them. I’m not a fighter. I’m a petite little bourgeois boy from London. I don’t fight, I mimic.
Actually, I’m a big softie and that’s why I’m covered in tattoos, everything is because I’m actually quite scared of everything. The point is that I’m naturally a quite fearful person, okay? … That’s what I trade on anyway, so I don’t go around all the time getting angry. It’s because I’m a sweetheart. I want everyone to love me.
Craig Ferguson is relieved — he’s been wanting to let people know of his plan to move on from “The Late Late Show” for months. The CBS latenight host also is resigned to the fact that few people w…
A sad time in late night television. I think we can all agree there is no one like Craig Ferguson on late night, and no one can fill the hole he’s going to leave late night television.
We have 7 more amazing months left with Craig, so let’s enjoy them. Let’s show him our support and wish him luck with his other projects!
And hey, maybe a Doctor Who cameo would be more probable*?
*DISCLAIMER, HE IS NOT DOING A DOCTOR WHO CAMEO, BUT A FANGIRL CAN DREAM.